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[20230910] Questionable formatting[編輯]
You need to explain the markup you've invented at 滿庭芳 (秦觀). What are we looking at here? Is there not an existing standardized presentation? Fish bowl（留言） 2023年9月10日 (日) 23:20 (UTC)
About which part? The form has all relevant information arranged in a manner that very likely no superior solution could possibly exist. "standardized presentation", as far as I know: none adequately working.
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年9月10日 (日) 23:45 (UTC)
- All of it. What are these square brackets (???), the angle brackets (《》?), the pipe-asterisk combination (bullets?), the indentation? I have half a mind to revert it. Do keep in mind that HTML exists for a reason. Fish bowl（留言） 2023年9月10日 (日) 23:50 (UTC)
HTML-specific (and the traditional punctuation) representation of them lacks interoperability and causes problems. For details, I may give further explanation when I have the time.
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年9月11日 (一) 00:29 (UTC)
Though may not sufficiently answer all aforementioned questions, I've written something to explain my ASCII punctuation preference: https://github.com/MasterInQuestion/talk/discussions/5
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 01:19 (UTC)
@Lemonaka, chill and give some more reasonable comments.
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 00:29 (UTC)
https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/滿庭芳_(秦觀)?action=history&offset=20231024005344&limit=1 <^> What's your purpose of doing so? [ Quote Lemonaka @ CE 2023-10-24 00:51:32 UTC: https://en.wikiquote.org/?diffonly=1&diff=prev&oldid=3385507 You are disrupting projects by changing something into very strange formatting, making articles hard to read. Stop it now, thanks. ] <^> Rationale? Would you mind somehow explaining your "outright removing everything" practice, thanks.
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 01:08 (UTC)
[ Quote Lemonaka @ CE 2023-10-24 01:25:40 UTC: https://en.wikiquote.org/?diffonly=1&diff=prev&oldid=3385517 Okay, here's an explanation if you really need instead of just trolling, you are not allowed to test your invented wikimark anywhere, unless you're in the test wiki or you are an employee from WMF. Have some idea for software? Go on phabricator, not here. ] <^> Is not your explanation an entirely Catch-22? For the ideal presentation cannot yet be determined: let there just presents nothing. Meanwhile the ideal form without testing could never be determined. Your intention is more questionable than my name.
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 01:44 (UTC)
https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/悼亡_(王夫之)?action=history&offset=20231024015426 https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/臨江仙_(蘇軾)/夜歸臨皋?action=history&offset=20231024020216 <^> Every element exists for a reason. Not randomly chosen. And sourceless Wikisource, appropriate?
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 02:14 (UTC)
- The best way to indicate multiple sources here is in the talk page, like what User:Blahhmosh did. Please stop changing content to unformatted text. Midleading（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 02:30 (UTC)
- @MasterQuestionable As a sysop from English Wikiquote, I've answered all your questions on that project, please do not introduce your dispute here. Lemonaka（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 02:32 (UTC)
[ Quote Jusjih @ CE 2023-10-24 02:32:04 UTC: https://zh.wikisource.org/?diffonly=1&diff=prev&oldid=2324717 Please explain your edits, or your privilege to edit may have to be limited. ] <^> This gives me a sense that certain privileged users (likely also long-time "contributors", perhaps even financial patrons) of Wikimedia projects may be affiliated with non-free material services: Not trying to have Wikimedia perish, but trying to keep its quality below certain level: so to not impact their interests. [ Quote Midleading @ CE 2023-10-24 02:30:01 UTC: https://zh.wikisource.org/?diffonly=1&diff=prev&oldid=2324716 The best way to indicate multiple sources here is in the talk page, like what User:Blahhmosh did. Please stop changing content to unformatted text. ] <^> Your proposed formatting is hardly convincing. And probably, qualifies as "unformatted". [ Quote Lemonaka @ CE 2023-10-24 02:32:21 UTC: https://zh.wikisource.org/?diffonly=1&diff=2324719&oldid=2324716 As a sysop from English Wikiquote, I've answered all your questions on that project, please do not introduce your dispute here. ] <^> Though much related. ("formatting" cause) You are not compelled to participate anyhow. Quit as will.
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 03:11 (UTC)
- We welcome contributions that makes articles more appealing for our readers. Every article in Wikisource must be pretty formatted in wikitext, not the markup that only you can use. Stop using your "superior" solution until your code is deployed in MediaWiki master branch. Wikisource is for readers, "interoperability" with your program is not our goal. Wikidata is the Wikimedia project for machine-readable information. I have to warn you that you may be blocked here if you ignore the messages on this page. Midleading（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 04:22 (UTC)
[ Quote Midleading @ CE 2023-10-24 04:22:23 UTC: https://zh.wikisource.org/?diffonly=1&diff=prev&oldid=2324772 We welcome contributions that makes articles more appealing for our readers. Every article in Wikisource must be pretty formatted in wikitext, not the markup that only you can use. Stop using your "superior" solution until your code is deployed in MediaWiki master branch. Wikisource is for readers, "interoperability" with your program is not our goal. Wikidata is the Wikimedia project for machine-readable information. I have to warn you that you may be blocked here if you ignore the messages on this page. ] <^> And you replied with pretty formatted one-liner..? How is my practice unfriendly to readers? And how is your solution anyhow superior? [ Quote <Log Historic>: <Emperor 1st of Qín Core Historic> (<史記>: <秦始皇 本紀>): https://ctext.org/library.pl?if=en&file=79500&page=70#鹿 趙 高 欲為亂: 恐群臣不聽, 乃先設驗: + Zhào Gāo intended to wreak havoc: afraid of Officers heed not, thus in advance arranged experiment: 持鹿獻於 二世, 曰: "馬也!" + Having a deer presented at The 2nd, saying: "Horse!" 二世 笑曰: "丞相誤邪, 謂鹿為馬?" + The 2nd laughed saying: "Premier had mistaken, calling a deer horse?" 問左右: 左右或默, 或言 "馬" 以阿順 趙 高. + Asking left right: left right either silenced, or saying "Horse" to plead Zhào Gāo. 或言 "鹿" 者: 高 因陰中諸言 "鹿" 者以法. + Those saying "Deer": Gāo thus covertly had various saying "Deer" prosecuted. . 後群臣皆畏 高. + Since Officers all afraid of Gāo. ]
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 11:35 (UTC)
- Among our current best articles are 春曉 (孟浩然), 脂硯齋重評石頭記, 後漢書, 大越史記全書. The use of Wikitext, especially appropriate formatting templates, is essential to apply beautiful and consistent style in Wikisource. We don't think going backwards to the days without MediaWiki or even HTML is a technological advance. Midleading（留言） 2023年10月24日 (二) 13:40 (UTC)
實無意維基詞訟與編輯亂戰. 相公自便. + Indeed not here to practice wiki-lawyering and edit warring. Lord Premiers be at will. Nor did I ever attempt to prevent anyone using them. I'm merely mostly too lazy to do the "fixing the surface not the cause" (治標不治本) chores. And conceding to writing everything in one-liner hurts my heart. The primary issue is Lord Lemonaka's ... Let's just assume some monkey has taken control of whose terminal and made such non-sense edits. "Terribly" formatted better than nothing at all, agree? If your Excellency would like to hear, I also have multiple accessibility feedback regarding the current <春曉 (孟浩然)> article.
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月26日 (四) 01:23 (UTC)
- I welcome your feedback on what information you want to add to articles and why you think your special markup provides better accessibility. As currently nobody wants your markup to appear in articles, you have to come up with a better way to do your contributions. This is necessary so that you will not be "soft blocked" with all your edits being reverted. Before you continue, have a look at our best articles and think how you can make the most use of our wikitext system. I can also provide some guide to you if you don't know which template to use. Please do take responsibility on your activity. All the formatting issues you made have to be cleaned up yourself. Yes, we have a lot of unformatted articles right now. It is acceptable if you just add information but don't have time to finish it right now. But you need to commit to tidying up everything you did in a way that is accepted by our community. Midleading（留言） 2023年10月26日 (四) 05:04 (UTC)
I'm generally too busy to make further interaction on this matter now. I'll review related comments later. Thanks for your rationality anyhow.
- MasterQuestionable（留言） 2023年10月28日 (六) 05:40 (UTC)
[ Quote Midleading @ CE 2023-10-26 05:04:43 UTC: https://zh.wikisource.org/?diffonly=1&diff=prev&oldid=2326691 I welcome your feedback on what information you want to add to articles and why you think your special markup provides better accessibility. As currently nobody wants your markup to appear in articles, you have to come up with a better way to do your contributions. This is necessary so that you will not be "soft blocked" with all your edits being reverted. . Before you continue, have a look at our best articles and think how you can make the most use of our wikitext system. I can also provide some guide to you if you don't know which template to use. Please do take responsibility on your activity. All the formatting issues you made have to be cleaned up yourself. Yes, we have a lot of unformatted articles right now. It is acceptable if you just add information but don't have time to finish it right now. But you need to commit to tidying up everything you did in a way that is accepted by our community. ] <^> I don't know since when making perfectly qualified commit has become a mandatory. And since when gratuitously removing information simply for "formatting" cause has become acceptable? The current <春曉 (孟浩然)> article basically uses the same formatting as in <琵琶行>. Which lacks scalability and general interoperability. More info: https://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/Talk:琵琶行#%5B20231030%5D_Feedback_on_current_formatting As for the <滿庭芳 (秦觀)> article, having traced every source I linked: the reason should be very apparent. (seemingly "irrelevant" content also included in various sources) [ Quote (previous): why you think your special markup provides better accessibility ] <^> Without, how to properly parse? (how to tell the context?)